On this episode of “Interesting Times,” Ross Douthat is joined by the Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit priest and the editor of America Magazine, to reflect on the legacy of Pope Francis and the challenges facing the next papacy.
A Francis Admirer and a Francis Skeptic Debate the Pope’s Legacy
The challenges for Catholicism in the modern world.
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